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Post by Drop Ball on Dec 10, 2011 17:20:17 GMT -6
I guess the point is that it is to artificially end the game and that just doesn't seem right. Yes, catcher's give up passed balls at any point in a game, but when the offense gets a freebie runner on second base I feel it puts on a little more pressure on the catcher ( and the pitcher) for that matter. The offense didn't get a hit to get her there, the pitcher didn't walk her or hit her, she just got put there. Again, just my opinion. Could be my mixed up, other side of the bridge way of looking at things! I say do it like colleges do. Let the players determine the game. Just my thought here. It puts more pressure on the defensive team period. Another in a 'long list of things' that have been changed to give the offense an advantage. I've been on both sides of this (win/lose) in a game situation and regardless of the outcome, I'd agree with the statement: "Let the players determine the game" every time.
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Post by emptynester on Dec 11, 2011 9:10:38 GMT -6
Hey you softball fans, I have been reading the ITB comments and agree with Drop Ball but have a comment on Catcher's passed balls. Does anyone truly know the difference between a passed ball and a wild pitch? Passed balls are quite rare in both softball and baseball while wild pitches are the norm.
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Post by Quick Feet on Dec 11, 2011 14:57:06 GMT -6
Passed Balls- the catcher is charged with a passed ball when she fails to hold or control a legally pitched ball delivered to her that she should have been able to hold or control employing ordinary effort and as a result one or more runners advance.
Wild pitch- the pitcher legally pitches a ball that is so high or low or wide of the strike zone that the catcher cannot, employing ordinary effort, stop and control the ball, and as a result one or more runners advance.
The bottom line is that it is a judgement call for the scorekeeper, just as errors are.
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Post by coach501 on Dec 12, 2011 7:56:37 GMT -6
Passed Balls- the catcher is charged with a passed ball when she fails to hold or control a legally pitched ball delivered to her that she should have been able to hold or control employing ordinary effort and as a result one or more runners advance. Wild pitch- the pitcher legally pitches a ball that is so high or low or wide of the strike zone that the catcher cannot, employing ordinary effort, stop and control the ball, and as a result one or more runners advance. The bottom line is that it is a judgement call for the scorekeeper, just as errors are. I have also seen the two terms differentiated as follows: Passed Ball: Pitcher's parent is scorekeeper Wild Pitch: Catcher's parent is scorekeeper In regards to the ITB question: It reminds me of Penalty Kicks to decide a tied soccer game. The game played was a well fought game, then we use something artificial to end it that bears just enough resemblance to game "stuff" to pass by the casual observer. I understand that most high school games cannot go on ad infinitam due to use of county fields that have slow pitch coming up behind them, or fields with no lights. So this artificial ending might be necessary. It might be even more necessary in a lower level game that is tied 18-18! But I HATE to see the 0-0, or 1-1 tie end this way. I like the idea of going 2 or 3 innings of real ball, then going to the ITB if necessary.
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Post by heavy on Dec 12, 2011 12:51:55 GMT -6
Please, no soccer references on the softball board
Thank you
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Post by The Real Truf on Dec 12, 2011 13:09:55 GMT -6
Yep ... There was a school on the westside of town that went through a four year period without any Wild Pitches and "very few" ER's !!!
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Post by surfishin on Dec 12, 2011 16:09:36 GMT -6
Hmmm, CHS? Oh, no, further west?
I like the idea of 2 extra innings, then ITB for HS.
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Post by The Real Truf on Dec 12, 2011 16:42:29 GMT -6
JF was special !!!
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Post by coach501 on Dec 12, 2011 19:28:14 GMT -6
Please, no soccer references on the softball board Thank you The soccer reference to dramatically demonstrate how I view the ITB. Not a fan.
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Post by The Real Truf on Dec 13, 2011 3:31:21 GMT -6
Please, no soccer references on the softball board Thank you The soccer reference to dramatically demonstrate how I view the ITB. Not a fan. soccer: AKA ... "Commie Football" !!!
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Post by bda on Dec 13, 2011 6:39:27 GMT -6
The soccer reference to dramatically demonstrate how I view the ITB. Not a fan. soccer: AKA ... "Commie Football" !!! Okay, "real football" reference: in college football when the game ends in a tie, each team gets the ball on the other team's 25. They take punting and playing for field position out of the game completely. After the second overtime, they take kicking the extra point out of the game as well. (Similar to high school football, except in high school they put the ball on the 10 to start.) I'm not a huge fan of the ITB, but the bottom line is that it seems like today most sports they break a tie with some variant of the game. In the NHL the overtime period is played 4-on-4; i.e., both teams lose a man. In field hockey they play 7-on-7 and then go to penalty shots. Even in the NFL in the playoffs this year, if the first team only kicks a field goal they don't win anymore; they have to get a touchdown to win or the other team gets a chance. Neat story on two of the longest three NCAA softball games in history - which came back-to-back: www.omaha.com/article/20110510/BLUEJAYS/705109804/0Creighton vs Utah; conference tournament finals. First game started at 6 pm. Lasted 31 innings; 6 and a half hours. Then they had to play the if-necessary game. Started at 12:45 am. Lasted 25 innings; 5 hours 20 minutes. So they started play at 6 pm and finished at 6 am, and played two games. Best part of the story was that the coach's wife wanted to know where the heck he'd been all night and why he didn't come home. She didn't believe he'd been at the park all night.
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Post by bda on Dec 13, 2011 6:56:50 GMT -6
Hey you softball fans, I have been reading the ITB comments and agree with Drop Ball but have a comment on Catcher's passed balls. Does anyone truly know the difference between a passed ball and a wild pitch? Passed balls are quite rare in both softball and baseball while wild pitches are the norm. The rarity depends on the relative quality of the pitcher and catcher. There was a game during Stephanie Speierman's senior year where her regular catcher was unavailable, and Hammond had to use the backup. If I'm not mistaken she wound up that 7-inning game with 25 or 26 strikeouts. I'm willing to bet that most of those "dropped third strikes" were passed balls vice wild pitches - not to mention any passed balls that weren't third strikes.
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Post by LSL Dad on Dec 13, 2011 10:52:04 GMT -6
Any word on new Head Coaches for the 2012 season ... There will be a new Head Coach at Howard in 2012.
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Post by The Real Truf on Dec 13, 2011 11:16:03 GMT -6
Any word on new Head Coaches for the 2012 season ... There will be a new Head Coach at Howard in 2012. Yes and there will be a "Chilling Effect" at Howard this season ... BTW - Forget being scorekeeper this year !!!
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Post by heavy on Dec 13, 2011 12:44:25 GMT -6
Who is it?... That's 3 coaches at Howard in 4 years...What's the deal?
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